Help Identifying

[Will D]

I recently inherited two skillets that I’d like to identify.
The first is a #8 with a small P located below the 8 on the handle. It has a heat ring but as far as I can see no other markings.
The second is also a #8 with a really faded 8 on the handle. It has a heat ring and no other markings as well.
See attached photos.

 

[Doug D.]

Looks like no-notch Lodge. Does the second one also have the raised number? Hard to tell.

 

[Will D]

The second one’s number is smooth on the handle. It almost looks like someone took a grinder to it. Any idea about the age of either of them? When I’ve looked up no-notch lodge skillets most have a number or other markings on the bottom

 

[Doug D.]

No-notch pans are seen both marked and unmarked. But, the absence of molder's marks is atypical, as is the incised P on the handle top.