ID help please

I just got these 2 pans. Unmarked. I went thru the RB and came across Wards CI on pg 21. It looks exact down to the "Z" on the back of the handle. It also says #4 is 8 1/8" across. Thats what the small one measures. It looks more like a 5 and compared to 5's I have it is a 5.

These 2 pans look like a 5 and a 7. Can anyone shed some light on these for me?
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Both appear to be unmarked Wagner. Remember, the letters on the undersides of handles are just there to keep track of who used what patterns what day. The only connection to Ward's here is that Wagner made their CI, too.
 
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