I have a #12 Wapak that I bought for 60 dollars. It was pitted bad, but for the price I jumped on it. After a few years and a lot of meals, the pitting is filling in great. Does anyone else have a "bad" skillet or dutch oven that only a mother could love? I love Wapaks for the defects, but any brand will do. Gotta love all C.I.!