"Sidney" #6 genuine?

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I am likely being silly, but I just got a skillet I bought on the Bay. It is a number 6, "Sidney" arc logo which, I figured, would be very similar (siblings?) to my "Wagner" arc logo skillets and to my larger "SIDNEY" block logo skillet. The skillet arrived and while it looks great and sits flat as advertised, I am puzzled by the fact that it feels heavier than I expected for its size. In fact, it weighs a few ounces more than the larger #8 Wagner that I thought to be its sibling! The side walls are noticeably thicker. I am very new to vintage cast iron. Anything for me to worry about? Any thoughts in general? Is the Sidney #6 of more recent vintage? It was not a lot of money, and I am not criticizing the seller (who opined it is rare and pre-Wagner 19th century but then I know there is some question about who made these "Sidney" skillets, Sidney or Wagner). Anyway, here are some quick iphone pics:

First, the new to me #6:

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Next, my Wagner #8, note reinforced handle not present in the Sidney:

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Thanks for any thoughts. I am more curious and wanting to learn than anything.
 
Some skillets just weigh more than others. One pattern maker may just have made his with a little thicker bottom, which would translate to more iron in the casting from it. I see no cause for any concern that yours is not genuine; fakes are not that well made or finished. Skillets made by Sidney Hollowware Company either had the script logo or the entire company name spelled out. Those marked like this one were certainly made by Wagner in the Sidney foundry when they briefly owned it and made their second line of products there.
 
Doug D. said:
Some skillets just weigh more than others. One pattern maker may just have made his with a little thicker bottom, which would translate to more iron in the casting from it. I see no cause for any concern that yours is not genuine; fakes are not that well made or finished. Skillets made by Sidney Hollowware Company either had the script logo or the entire company name spelled out. Those marked like this one were certainly made by Wagner in the Sidney foundry when they briefly owned it and made their second line of products there.
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Thx much for the response. I am. Not surprised to learn of variation, but am surprised to the degree that a pan tw sizes smaller could still weigh more is significant! Thx for the response. I have much to learn!
 
Steve O. said:
I am likely being silly, but I just got a skillet I bought on the Bay. It is a number 6, "Sidney" arc logo which, I figured, would be very similar (siblings?) to my "Wagner" arc logo skillets and to my larger "SIDNEY" block logo skillet. The skillet arrived and while it looks great and sits flat as advertised, I am puzzled by the fact that it feels heavier than I expected for its size. In fact, it weighs a few ounces more than the larger #8 Wagner that I thought to be its sibling! The side walls are noticeably thicker. I am very new to vintage cast iron. Anything for me to worry about? Any thoughts in general? Is the Sidney #6 of more recent vintage? It was not a lot of money, and I am not criticizing the seller (who opined it is rare and pre-Wagner 19th century but then I know there is some question about who made these "Sidney" skillets, Sidney or Wagner). Anyway, here are some quick iphone pics:

First, the new to me #6:


Next, my Wagner #8, note reinforced handle not present in the Sidney:



Thanks for any thoughts. I am more curious and wanting to learn than anything.
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Nice skillet. I was sad to let it go.

I did not opine "it is rare and pre-Wagner 19th century" i stated facts that are printed on this website. As a matter of fact, these comments are completely wrong. I do not like being slandered. Either remove your comment and apologise or send the skillet back.

BTW here is my original comment. I dont know how you got here from there



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This was made between 1897 [Wagner bought Sidney foundry] and 1903 when the original owner bought it back. Wagner made CI with Sidney molds and patterns from 1897-1903 until it was sold back to the original owner The Sidney name was incorporated into the Wagner name. So, these were made for 6 years only. I wont say its rare BUT there were made for only 6 years. There are not many around in this great condition. This skillet is excellent condition. No damage at all. Sits perfectly flat and no pitting. This is a collector quality piece
Scott

http://www.castironcollector.com/sidney.php

http://www.castironcollector.com/wagner.php
 
I been confused about these skillets for awhile. Any comments are appreciated.

RB:
Wagner buys Sidney Hollow Ware foundry in 1897
Wagner sells foundry back to Philip Smith in 1903
According to the RB, the "Sidney" arc skillets were made 1905-1910 (pg 11)
According to the RB, Sidney centered block skillets were made 1910-1929 (pg 11)

I would think that the wagner made sidney logo pans would have been made between 1897-1903 when they owned the foundry. Why, according to the RB, would these pans have been made after the sidney foundry had been sold back?
 
The public forum is not the place to engage in this kind of behavior. Please take it up with each other thru eBay, not here.
 
Since using the forum to buy and sell is prohibited, that should not be an issue. I would point out, however, that no one on eBay has any way to know who they are dealing with until they already have. And that should not be taken as an invitation to publish anyone else's eBay user id. I would also expect that just refunding money in the heat of anger is probably not going to get your skillet back.
 
Doug D. said:
Since using the forum to buy and sell is prohibited, that should not be an issue. I would point out, however, that no one on eBay has any way to know who they are dealing with until they already have. And that should not be taken as an invitation to publish anyone else's eBay user id. I would also expect that just refunding money in the heat of anger is probably not going to get your skillet back.
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Thanks for your words. It was not heat of anger. it was not wanting to deal with a buyer that has no honor. if you want, you can go ahead and delete any of my posts you deem not forum worthy
 
I understand this forum is not for sales, but I am perturbed by the comments above and thought I might respond. This was the strangest of all transactions I have had on Ebay. This seller cancelled the sale after I had bought the item and the message I received was that the item was "out of stock or unavailable." He emailed me outside of Ebay and asked me to send a postal money order or gift payment as Paypal was telling him due to his having few sales that he would have to wait an unacceptable amount of time. I thought it was inappropriate for him to cancel the sale on that basis, but not much I could do. Then, without further notice he tells me he shipped me the skillet and asked me to pay him ASAP. I told him I would do so while noting that I had no obligation to complete the sale since he cancelled it falsely telling Ebay the item was out of stock. Anyway, I sent him the money again via paypal.

The skillet arrived and I posted here just making sure everything was okay without identifying the seller nor even criticizing him. I kinda thought that getting information was what forums like this are for.

This morning, at 5:40 am he sends me an Ebay message demanding that I provide feedback as it had been 36 hours since I had received the pan and he wanted his money and he says Paypal won't give him his money until after feedback. He says if no response by 10:38 he will cancel the sale and expect his pan back.

I was busy at work (in deposition, I am a lawyer) and did not see his demand for feedback until after his 5 hour deadline and he cancelled the sale again saying item "out of stock" and demanding that I send the pan back immediately. I told him no, that he had no right to "cancel" a completed transaction, that I was not going to waste my time and money and return an item that I had paid for (twice). He then accused me of being a thief and said that if I did not return the pan I was a thief and that he would complain to Ebay, the Atlanta police department, and my "law firm" if I "continue to" be a thief.

I have sent him his money a third time as I did not think it right to keep both the pan and his money and trust this will end the situation. I don't know of any requirement to provide feedback on Ebay and sometimes I forget to do so or don't get around to doing so for a few days. So far as I can tell, his complaint centers around my alleged failure to provide feedback within 36 hours of receipt of the pan. I can now not provide feedback on the transaction as he "cancelled" it.

I really don't know of anything I have done wrong though if anyone here thinks I have done so, please let me know what. I am genuinely puzzled by the whole situation. I have bought a number of items on Ebay and sold a number without issue.
 
Steve O. said:
The skillet arrived and I posted here just making sure everything was okay without identifying the seller nor even criticizing him. I kinda thought that getting information was what forums like this are for.
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That is indeed what forums like this are for. And this thread only went south when comments that should have been addressed elsewhere to begin with were made. Now that "both sides" have "had their say", this thread is closed.
 
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