Thank you Doug. I woke up this morning still thinking about it...that's usually a sign to go back. Funny you should mention the lid not being Griswold. I have been looking for a #8 dutch oven for a while and saw this one at a shop selling vintage cast iron hardware (such as pullies, iron tongs, old anvils, etc). It was the only item of cookware in the place and tucked on the bottom of a wooden shelf of rusty tools. I saw it and didn't think it was a Griswold or Wagner right away, but that didn't make it undesirable to me. I remember thinking 'I wonder who made that.' When I picked it up I was a little surprised. I guess those brands that I see often must have some little something in their handle or style that I didn't know I had learned to identify. The lid threw me at first glance. Or I'm just kidding myself and it was just a random thing.