A number of dealers and dealer/collectors subscribe to CICN and I feel this is a valid request. However, it is not so easy to do. I live in a part of the country nearly devoid of auctions or shows that have much in the way or iron cookware. For prices to have any meaning one has to know the condition and specific markings of each piece and whether or not a piece actually sold at the price given. If there are any subscribers who would like to send me complete and accurate information on prices I will try to print them. Also, if you go to an auction or show and would like to report what you saw or found I will be happy to print it as long as you give specific details (i.e. "I bought a No5 Griswold skillet w/block TM and heat ring in very good, unrestored condition", rather than "I bought a Griswold No5 skillet"). Auction previews are just about impossible to include in CICN due to the time factor. An auction comes and goes much faster that I publish CICN. I also feel that the type of information which I have included in CICN is more useful to a greater number of subscribers than would be prices and show reports. I welcome any comments on this subject. -ed.

Does anybody know anything about "KNOX BROS"? We have a muffin pan like the one on p.86 (french roll) of McNerney's book except a long handle is on one side (no end handles) and "KNOX Bros" is in the narrow band in the center. Will try to get you a picture for the next CICN. Paul & Lynette Conrad, St. Louis, MO

Griswold did make the iron you saw. They are not particularly rare and the price was about right. Griswold made quite a few pieces for other companies. I do not know who Rev-O-Noc is but it could be a large hardware wholesaler. Do any readers know anything about Rev-O-Noc?
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I have seen a stove lid lifter and it was marked but the other items I have never seen nor do I know anyone who has any. These pieces were listed on p.36 of CICN but their existence I know of only from the card shown on pgs. 30-31 of CICN. At the time this card was printed (probably 1901) many Griswold pieces were probably being marked ERIE. It is likely that the pieces would be marked with pattern numbers.
-ed.

Wagner (General Housewares Corp.) is currently making a line of iron cookware they call "Wagner 1891 Original". It includes three skillet sizes, a dutch oven, I believe, and probably other pieces. These pieces in no way resemble those that Wagner made at any time in their past except that the skillets use the "Sizzle Server" type handle. The castings are heavy, grainy and not ground on the inside. Wagner began iron cookware in 1891 with very fine and lightweight castings. The company was known as the Sidney Hollow Ware Co.
-ed.

Letters To The Editor, cont'd from p.43
Steve, I think in one of your newsletters you could ask if other members would like to have a list of all the other members' phone numbers. I feel this would really help my collection grow.
Bud DesForges, Gainsville, FL
904-373-1499

Knowing or meeting other collectors can be beneficial in many ways, not the least of which is being able to buy, sell and trade with them. But how do you meet other collectors around the country except by chance. No problem with those who advertise in CICN, but what about all the other subscribers? I will not give out my malilng list or other subscribers phone numbers but I will encourage all subscribers who have not advertised to do so. Send me an ad which introduces yourself to the other subscribers. Tell briefly what your interests are and if you are open to buying, sell1ng, tradlng, allowing others to visit you or would like to visit others or correspond. Is there a particular area you are knowledgeable about and are willing to share. Ads are free. Do it!
-ed.

No. Not without knowing condition, is it black iron or porcelainized? I would guess that a nice black iron one would sell for $50-100. There is no established value on this uncommon to rare skillet and it is worth only what a willing buyer will pay a willing seller. Your skillet was sold as a toy. It is the same size as a Griswold No0 skillet except the handle is longer. Favorite also made a "0" sized toy skillet with a shorter handle. It is more rare than the No1 Favorite. Many of the No1 skillets were porcelainized on the bottom and top of handle. I have seen them in dark red, mahogany (grained) and I think they made a nice, medium blue. I was able to remove the porcelain from my No1 by chipping away at it for four hours with a auto body pick hammer. It was not in very good condition to begin with.
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John was not a subscriber last year or he would have seen p. 15 of CICN about fakes. As I tell everyone, learn to tell an old casting from a new one. If in doubt do not buy. Old castings, especially those from the major manufacturers, are of good quality, fine grain, light weight and often show definite signs of wear from years of use. Writing on the pieces will be neat and uniformly spaced, especially if it is from Griswold. Learn to know old rust from new, chemically induced rust. Look for pattern numbers on Griswold pieces; originals had them, fakes often don't. A recent fake is a toy sized Griswold heart star waffle iron. It is advertised in the Antique Trader for $10 including shipping. How many have paid $$$ for one thinking it was a real find? There are no original Griswold toy heart star waffles. The fake has the Griswold trademark in the center and no other writing nor pattern numbers. It is a poor casting, too. Here's a rundown on what's available: Griswold toy heart star waffle (fake); No262 Cornorwheat Stick Pan (repro and fake), toy ham boiler 6" long (fake), match holder (fake?), mortar & pestle (repro? I haven't seen one), size 0 skillet (poor repro); Wagner toy waffle (repro), toy tea kettle (repro); E.C.Simmons (Keen Kutter) toy waffle (fake), size 8 waffle (good repro-a hard one to tell, it's rather grainy). Are there any I've missed?
- ed.

As an afterthought I decided to rate the different skillet covers as to relative rarity. Bearing in mind that no skillet covers are really common or very easy to find I have used the following notations under the pattern numbers. . (common) .. (uncommmon.) ... (rare) .... (very rare) These ratings are approximate and might vary one point either way for many of the covers but should be close enough to give an idea of how hard it might be to find each one. And I almost forgot three unusual covers: Washington Bicentennial skillet cover for no8 skillets, pattern 1056 (?); No15 Oval Skillet cover, pattern 1013C (I know of no cover for the No13 Oval Skillet); and, for the No768 Square Fry Skillet with handle on the corner, cover No769. All of these are rated very rare.

Victor Skillets E-7  Nos. 7-9 E-10 Nos. 6-9 E-11 Nos. 5-9 1942 n/a 1950 n/a

Victor skillets have been made since the 1890's, but the two smallest sizes were added toward the end of their production which accounts for the rarity of Nos. 5 and 6 Victors. All sizes were likely dropped from production in the mid to late 30's but, in any case, did not appear in the 1942 or 1950 catalogs.

Wood Handle Skillets
Shown in sizes 2-12 in catalogs E-7, E-10 and E-11. Not available in 1942 or 1950.

Extra Deep Skillets E-7 Nos. 8,9,10 E-10 Nos. 8,9,10 E-11 Nos. 8,9,10 1942 Nos. 8,9 1950 n/a

There are two series of Extra Deep Skillets. E-7 offers the earlier ones which have sides which slope outwards more, giving a wider top. There are no skillet covers to fit these earlier deep skillets which have pattern numbers 732, 733 and 734. E-10 and E-11 offer the later deep skillets, pattern numbers 777, 778 and 779, which take standard skillet covers. Pans shown in the 1942 catalog are possibly small TM ones since the 777 deep skillet was made with the small TM and, possibly also, 778 (size 9).

Chicken Fryers E-11 No. 8 1942 Nos.8, 9 1950 No. 8

In most cases probably identical to the later style Ex~a Deep Skillets but offered with cover. 777 pattern deep Skillets are found marked on the bottom Cast Iron Skillet and they are more often seen marked cast Iron Skillet Or Chicken Pan. This latter pan is believed to be the one offered as a Chicken Fryer in catalog E-11. 1942 pans are probably small TM and 1950 pans certainly are small TM. One other pan exists that could also

be the Chicken Fryer offered in B-11. This deep skillet, pattern 768, is nearly identical to pattern 777 except that it has a heat ring and is marked on the bottom Cast Iron Chicken Pan. It has the large, block TM as do the earlier 777 pans.

Regular Griddles E-7 Nos. 6-10 E-10 Nos. 6-10 E-11 Nos. 6-10 1942 Nos. 7-10 1950 Nos. 8-10

Also known as a Handle Griddle. Nos. 6- 10 were available from early on when they were marked "ERIE". No.6 is very hard to find, indicating that it was not a popular size, and that is probably why it did not show up in the 1942 catalog. The change to small TM cannot be pinpointed but by 1950 it is most likely that most of the pieces that were eventually produced with the small TM were being offered that way.

Wood Handle Griddles
Shown in sizes 6-10 in catalogs E-7, E-10 and E-11 but not offered in 1942 or 1950.

Bailed Griddles (round)
Offered in sizes 10, 12, 14 and 16 in E-7, E-10 and E-11 but not available in 1942. In 1950 it was again offered but only in sizes 12 and 14 with the small TM.

Long Griddles E-7 Nos. 7-11 E-10 Nos. 7-11 E-11 Nos. 7-11 1942 Nos. 7-11 1950 Nos. 8-11

With one exception all of the Long Griddles during all of these years had rather constant measurements for each size even though there were some changes in trademarks and handles on the ends, E-7 and E-10 show the No 8 griddle to be 8½ by 19" while the later catalogs show a much shorter and wider griddle. In E-11 it is 9½ by 17 3/16" and in later catalogs changes only slightly.

Oval Griddles
No discernable differences in E-7, E-10 or E-11. Sizes 7-10 offered. Oval Griddles are not shown in the 1942 or 1950 catalogs.

Lamb, Rabbit and Santa cake molds

E-7 n/a E-10 n/a E-11 Lamb 1942 Lamb, Rabbit 1950 Lamb, Rabbit, Santa

Lambs pictured in E-11 and 1942 catalogs are the early style where the back piece overlaps the front piece. There is no "No866"on the front of these earlier lambs. Another difference is that the handles below the lamb's head are somewhat lower on the earlier version than on the later one. The earlier one also has the small tab handles on the front part while the later version has the large loop handles on the front part. Keep in mind that illustrations in catalogs may not be up to date so

what you see is not necessarily what you get. The 1950 lamb is probably the later version which has pattern numbers 921 and 922 and has "No866" on the front. The earlier version is pattern number 865 and 866. Any differences in the Rabbit or Santa are very minor. Note how relatively new these sought after cake molds are.

13,14,130,140 and 240 are turk head pans. 27 and 28 are Wheat Stick pans. 50 and 100 are Hearts Star pans. Short production runs of these pans account for their rarity. Pans offered in E-7 are probably earlier versions, some with pattern numbers only and others marked ERIE or GRISWOLD. E-10 seems to offer the later, fully marked pans.

Danish Cake and Plett Pans

E-7	(No31)	(No32)		(No34)	Early pans (probably those in E-7) had only the pattern number on them and were shown in the catalog by name. E-10, E-11, 1942 and 1950 show pans by number and name.
E-10	No31	No32	No33	No34
E-11	No31	No32	No33	No34
1942		No32		No34
1950		No32		No34

Patty or Timbale Irons & Patty Bowls

*E-7	irons:	No1	No2		Patty Bowl:	not available
*E-10		No1	No2			"Patty Bowl" 871
E-11		No1	No2	No3		"Patty Bowl" 871
1942		No1	No2			"Deep Patty Bowl" 72, 71
1950		No1	No2			"Deep Patty Bowl" 72

The shallow No1 irons came in round and fluted patterns , both of the deep No2 and No3 irons come in fluted round and fluted heart patterns. No3 irons are about ¾" larger across than No2 irons and are Very rare. In catalog E-11, combinations of sets were available with the Patty Bowl (871) and irons. In 1942 similar combination sets were offered but with the Deep Patty Bowl (72) and irons. In 1950, Combination Patty Set No3 was offered which contained 1 set each of No1 and No2 irons together with the No72 Deep Patty Bowl. Another Patty Bowl, pattern 71, was sold in 1942. It came with or without cover, was marked "Deep Patty Bowl" and had the large, block TM and ERIE, PA. U.S.A on the bottom. It was also known as a Hot Pot. Capacities of the Patty Bowls are as follows: 871-1½ qt. 72-1 pt. 71-scant pint.

*Note: In the catalog that E-7 is part of the Patty Irons and Waffle Irons are actually shown in a separate bulletin, W-9, and not in E-7. E-7 is shown above under Patty Irons and also under Waffle Irons to maintain continuity in the designation of the different catalogs and years. In the same manner, Patty Irons and Waffle Irons in catalog No55 are shown in bulletin W-12 rather than in E-10. In E-11, 1942 and 1950 the waffle Irons and Patty Irons are shown together with all the other items covered in this article. This note also pertains to E-7 and E-10 on the next page under Waffle Irons.